Well, Looking at the camp track, i have made a design change to that track. In the spruce town they had the town on one side of the river and mill on the other. I think i am going to try that here. The track just looks too busy there. i can add another piece of track at the base of that ramp. That will move the track over enough that i can place the town over on that side of the river. I am planning to make a pasture over on the other side with the logging camp up in the woods. The camp would be on the left side looking at the layout. I have plenty of scrap pink foam to make risers with. Pink is so easy to work with. That and hot glue for foam. I already changed the plan several times to get it right. Its so easy that what i did before. A lot of others are using it more and more. I'm sold! Will get the the new plan together and see if trains still like it and then i can take some pictures. later, Smoke