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    Moved to a new location, I can no longer do the large basement layout I had planned. I might be able to do an "L" layout.

    Preface: I love continuous running trains, but I might have to bite the bullet. I could do a 4x8, but after reading all of the internet
    posts on why 4x8 are bad, and why it actually uses 6x10, I might not be able to put a 4x8 sheet in the room. I can, however, do a
    shelf style layout along a long wall. I would have at least two feet deep, if not more, and perhaps ten to fourteen feet long.

    Is this a "goog" layout to start with, thinking that I might make the top track the "mainline" and add another track above or below that?

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    I would ditch the harbour and make it an industry. Might be able to get into switching and industries.

    It comes from http://www.amherstrail.org/ABEL/Down...lf-Layouts.pdf on page 11.

    Thanks.

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    I like it. I agree with you about getting rid of the harbor and adding some industries. I would also add a pair of turnouts to the lower and middle tracks on the left side. This would give you a way to get the locomotive around to the other side of a freight car, which you will need to do to service the two industries that are there now. The locomotive has to to push one in coupled to the front, and back one in coupled to the rear of the locomotive.
    Looks like a nice little layout for the space you have available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by number9 View Post
    Moved to a new location, I can no longer do the large basement layout I had planned. I might be able to do an "L" layout.

    Preface: I love continuous running trains, but I might have to bite the bullet. I could do a 4x8, but after reading all of the internet
    posts on why 4x8 are bad, and why it actually uses 6x10, I might not be able to put a 4x8 sheet in the room. I can, however, do a
    shelf style layout along a long wall. I would have at least two feet deep, if not more, and perhaps ten to fourteen feet long.

    Is this a "goog" layout to start with, thinking that I might make the top track the "mainline" and add another track above or below that?

    Click image for larger version. 

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    I would ditch the harbour and make it an industry. Might be able to get into switching and industries.

    It comes from http://www.amherstrail.org/ABEL/Down...lf-Layouts.pdf on page 11.

    Thanks.
    I don't personally think that 4x8s are really that bad, I had a fairly decent one when I was a teen. I haven't used it in a few years, but with some modifications, I'm sure it could be

    Mine was similar to http://layoutvision.com/id48.html , except without those interior spurs and it ran pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    I don't personally think that 4x8s are really that bad, I had a fairly decent one when I was a teen. I haven't used it in a few years, but with some modifications, I'm sure it could be

    Mine was similar to http://layoutvision.com/id48.html , except without those interior spurs and it ran pretty well.
    I actually looked quite a bit at this out and back in 5x9: http://www.layoutvision.com/gallery/id53.html

    The main thing that sort of stops me is there are about $550 in switches on the 5x9 out and back. I really like the plan, but I can not come up with the cash to start that. Also not entirely sure it would fit comfortably in the space as much as a 4x8, and certainly it would not fit like a shelf.

    The 4x8 (and 5x9) fixes one of my criteria which is a continuous run. On the other hand, I am still in the negotiation process as to if a 5x9 (or 4x8) is too large for the room. So, this is sort of a multi-variate problem and the size of the layout is non-determinant.

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    You can pack a lot of action into a small space in the plan you posted. Personally, I really enjoy switching a lot. My layout was built mainly for switching, but with the use of some hidden staging tracks, I do have the capability to run continuously. Most of my layout is a shelf type layout, most being about 24" deep, but with some areas a bit wider. As with the plan you posted, I purposely build switching problem into each town. I did finally time one of my "operating sessions" the other day and it took three and a half hours to run the length of the layout with a 14 car train.

    My layout is a point to point with a yard and sngine servicing facility at each end. This does take up quite a bit of room, but with an industrial area as in the plan above you have a lot of opportunity to have an interesting layout.
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    A 4X8 can be a space eater since it requires access from at least three sides. The shelf layout plan looks interesting and should offer a lot of switching action. The longer you can make the layout, the more action you can enjoy.

    A shelf layout can be highly detailed like the layouts completed by the staff at Model Railroader magazine.

    And yes, make the harbor more industries for added switching locations.

    A backdrop will make the layout look even deeper. Take a look at the photo background buildings on the Trackside Scenery website. The photo-back ground buildings, along with structures like those from the Walther's Cornerstone Series will bring additional depth and life to the layout.

    Enjoy building your new layout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyboy2610 View Post
    I would also add a pair of turnouts to the lower and middle tracks on the left side. This would give you a way to get the locomotive around to the other side of a freight car, which you will need to do to service the two industries that are there now. The locomotive has to to push one in coupled to the front, and back one in coupled to the rear of the locomotive.
    Looks like a nice little layout for the space you have available.

    I think I understand what you are saying on the middle, but not the lower. Do you mean add another turnout to get to the lower industries?

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    The Shelf can be 6" or 6' wide for running back and forth. A 54" square on each end of a shelf will give you continuous running options. You can turn big HO steamers around and keep going and going...
    "I'm not building a layout per-se, I'm just playing with trains all-day!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by number9 View Post
    I think I understand what you are saying on the middle, but not the lower. Do you mean add another turnout to get to the lower industries?
    Draw a diagonal line between the lower and middle tracks, to the left of the turnout on the lower left. The line should run from top left to lower right. I'll try to make a pic of what I mean. This way you can uncouple from a car and move the locomotive to the opposite end. This is called a runaround track.
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    I have (I think) decided on this one except will add an extension on each main line enough to hold a loco and car - so about 2x10 rather than the 2x7 shown. I like all the different industries! This plan is from July 1960 MR.

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