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    Do we have any Computer Techs/Guru's here?

    If we do, I am in the process of building a new computer for my wife running Windows 7. What I want to use as a CPU is the following:

    Intel i7-6700k (Skylake) Processor.

    I have read that microsucks has stopped support of windows 7 with their "new" 7th generation (plus) processors and that anything other than (pretty much) windows 10 can be run on them.

    Some people say that the Intel 6th gen processors or Skylake Versions, such as the one I am looking at, will still run and support windows 7 until mid 2020.

    Can someone positively confirm that the CPU I am looking at WILL without a problem RUN windows 7. Last thing I want to do is spend the money on the processor to discover that Windows 7 cannot be used with it.
    Cheers,

    Tony
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    Sorry, I am an AMD person. I've and not worked with raw processors or new OSes for a long time.

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    Horseman,

    Not a problem ... to be honest, I hadn't considered AMD. What is your opinion of them?
    Cheers,

    Tony
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    I buy them when price is reasonable. I always wait for the "deals". Given the choice straight up I would go with AMD just because they aren't Intel. I have not purchased a Ryzen thread ripper yet. I will wait at least through the third set of price drops.

    Intel and AMD have been playing leap frog for decades now. I dropped out of the Intel camp way back (1996?) with the first Pentium's that couldn't divide properly. Even then I've always been a fan of AMD's innovation. They were the first ones with the front side bus, first with on chip cache, first to integrate graphics, now with what they are calling threading technology. But whatever they come up with just wait 6-9 months and Intel will have that too, usually in a faster and more durable package. Having said that I think my current "normal" desktop is an Intel, while my notebook is an AMD A8.

    Right now very few people need computers with any of the latest bells and whistles and not even the processing speed. For normal use, several year old technology is fine. In my case, I'm constantly looking for the next highest prime number (have my own algorithm for it), next decimal of PI, square root of 2 and the like so I actually use all that processing power. As of today (with the bitcoin stock decline) I am even considering going in to mining digital currencies.

    But like I said I have not built a machine from scratch in forever. I watch Dell & HP sites for top of the line refurbished machines I can pick up for 30-50% off retail. They always come with OS pre-installed.

    P.S. I guess I should add that way back in the mid 1980s (486 days) my first encounter with AMD was not good. It was in a E-tower 333 machine. It only lasted a few (6-8)months. I don't think that was a CPU chip problem though, I think that was the E-tower mother board issue.
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    Horseman,

    Thank you for your, as always, detailed reply. I am not an Intel Fan Boy by any means and prefer value for money and for what I buy to do the job being asked of it.

    I actually looked at the AMD processors and they are certainly cheaper than the Intel stuff, as are the AMD mother boards. The only down side (from my perspective) is I didn't see an AMD board that had 2 HDMI sockets for monitors. That may not be a big deal for most but that is one of my considerations when buying a mother board. Maybe I missed one or two but was looking at their Ryzen processors and AM4 socket boards.
    Cheers,

    Tony
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    Tony:

    Are you aware that MS has stopped all support and security updates for Windows 7? You will be miles ahead with purchasing a recon machine with an OS already installed and Windows 10 my choice.

    My 2 cents worth.

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    Kevin,

    Thanks but I think your source of information is a little out dated. According to microsucks, support for windows 7 and windows 8 and 8.1 will continue until the middle if 2020. Both I and my wife have windows 7 and we get updates and support for it.

    As for buying a computer off the shelf, your joking right, refurbished or not. Every computer my wife and I have had has been built by me to our specifications and needs not someone else's. Secondly, and more importantly, I'm not paying for stuff I don't want or need, ie another OS.

    I'm certainly not getting into a Windows 10 debate as I doubt anyone would like my views and opinions on it. I will go to Linux or Apple before I will install windows 10 or frankly any further microsuck OS on any of my computers, period.

    My question was simply are the Intel 6th Gen CPU's, specifically the skylake versions, capable of running windows 7 as has been suggested. If they aren't, I'll go to AMD or a CPU that will.
    Cheers,

    Tony
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    Tony, do yourself a favor and do like the Iron Horsemen does, shop for a deal on a ready to run PC. We can't compete with the big boys any more when it comes to cost. Unless you are building a high-end gaming/graphics system you will pay more for less.

    I built and sold my own brand of private label computers in the 90s. I made a small fortune, but the cost rose to high to compete with the big boys. Now I shop for deals and don't bother with building PCs, it's not worth the time and effort only to spend more.

    It's not a question of whether the CPU supports the Operating System. Rather the question is; does the Operating System support/recognize the CPU and motherboard architecture.

    Forget windows 7, that is yesterdays technology. If you insist on running windows 7 you will leave yourself exposed to security risks. If you investigate windows 10 you will see most of the enhancements are to deal with security. Microsoft gave it away for free because it was cheaper than protecting themselves from the risks with older operating systems. It did not work as well as planned because to many users refuse to upgrade.

    If you really want to stay with windows 7, I don't know why you would, but if you do, look for a used PC and replace the hard drive. Another option would be new old stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Horseman View Post
    Sorry, I am an AMD person. I've and not worked with raw processors or new OSes for a long time.
    Did you like Cyrix? I thought they were a good alternative, but the Pentium hype all but killed them. Advertising is more powerful than results. "it's what inside". Apple is a perfect example.

    For my money when I was building PCs AMD was to hit or miss. I did not like making free service calls to my customers for warranty work. I never had a single Intel processor fail to do the job.
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    Louis,

    Please read my reply above. That is not going to change for any reason, regardless of what anyone says with regards windows 10 or buying a pre built PC.

    As for the cost - it would cost me in the vicinity of $3000 to buy a computer (if one existed which it doesn't) with the hardware and specs that I want. I can build the identicle system for around half that cost and not put more "good money" into someone else's pocket for things I don't want just because it is easy.

    As for windows 7 being "old technology" who cares. It works just like XP still works on one of my older systems. You talk about security issues with windows 7 ... maybe you should take a closer look at windows 10

    "...It's not a question of whether the CPU supports the Operating System. Rather the question is; does the Operating System support/recognize the CPU and motherboard architecture..."


    Fair enough, in that case - is windows 7 recognized by the CPU I am looking at? Some people say it is, all I want is confirmation of that and nothing more.
    Cheers,

    Tony
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    "...knowing what to do is one thing, being able to do it is another..."

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