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    I have to be honest, I am a little hesitant to post anything about this project as some of my previous ventures have not come to fruition for various reasons. This however; is something I have been working on for a couple of weeks and is the 5th or 6th design.

    For those who know me, you will know that I am not interested in operations or reality or even the rationale or logic of what I end up with. My inspiration is to have as much runnable track as possible, for the space available, without making it look cluttered or overly laden with track. You will also know that my main focus is the scenery of the layout and allow it to bring the layout to life - to distract from the (sometimes) obvious real world flaws that may exist in my plans.

    As such, this is what I have in mind for the replacement of my HO layout:







    The plan calls for about 160' of N Scale Code 80 track work incorporating 50 or so lengths of flex along with 18 turnouts.

    The plan will allow me to run 4 trains freely, without the need for control over any of them due to the 4 separate lines. The 4 lines represent a double passenger line and a double freight line, and so begins the fictionality (yeah I know - not a real word) of the layout. Both lines are accessible from each other - passenger to freight and visa versa. At the same time, the small "yard/siding" will provide me with enough "excitement" should I feel the need to be actively engaged in the layout and does allow for expansion should it be needed some where down the track.

    The plan is drawn with the scenery in mind and what can go where and how. I have not defined any specific area for any specific thing, leaving me the prerogative of putting a town etc where I think it will best fit once the track work is in place. In the past I have tried to create something around the scenery, towns, industry and so forth and that has done nothing more than create confusion and frustration for me. Track planning is not my strong point, so when I get something I like, I leave it and make the scenery side fit the plan.

    I am sure some of you, or perhaps many of you, will see flaws and problems etc in the plan and I am, as always, open to being advised of those issues and having those problem areas pointed out. As always, I look forward to your thoughts...
    Cheers,

    Tony
    (aka wombat457)

    "...knowing what to do is one thing, being able to do it is another..."

    http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/f...Indoor-N-Scale

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    I like it... looks fun! One thought: how would it look with the reverse loop in the upper left flipped around - upper left to middle right?
    Ian

    Modeling my own reality: Cole River...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat457 View Post
    I have to be honest, I am a little hesitant to post anything about this project as some of my previous ventures have not come to fruition for various reasons.
    Ha! I would guess I have 100s of layout projects and plans that have not come to fruition. I would say several of yours made it further than many of mine. This has some similarities to the shed layout.

    You found a whole new "wing" on the right hand side.

    I am sure some of you, or perhaps many of you, will see flaws and problems etc in the plan and I am, as always, open to being advised of those issues and having those problem areas pointed out. As always, I look forward to your thoughts...
    What did you have in mind for the "S" curve from the siding on the top to the yard? I don't know if you realize that it adds a reversing loop electrical issue to the layout. It also limits the use of that upper yard track, as that yard track must be kept clear to get to that "S".

    If it were mine, I would use the natural curve of the track coming into the crossover area for the curved part of the turnout to eliminate the "S" curve(s) on the outer line (red), and maybe relocate the freight to passenger crossovers as well (pink). The latter of course (on one side or the other) would dictate a crossing over train have to make at least one loop on the median track before reaching the 3rd track over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianacole View Post
    I like it... looks fun! One thought: how would it look with the reverse loop in the upper left flipped around - upper left to middle right?
    Thanks Ian, but one question - I have a "reverse loop" in there some where? If I do, it will have to go. There is no way I am going to try to deal with the wiring for that, but I really don't see where you mean. If I understand what a reverse loop is, I don't think there is one; however, my understanding of a reverse loop could be completely "A Up".

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Horseman View Post
    Ha! I would guess I have 100s of layout projects and plans that have not come to fruition. I would say several of yours made it further than many of mine. This has some similarities to the shed layout.
    Thanks mate, and now you mention it, it does bear some similarities. I think sub consciously I probably took the things I really did like about all of my other "plans" and put them all into one. Perhaps in 5 years I'll find something better and, who knows, add that "improvement" into this plan.

    You found a whole new "wing" on the right hand side.
    Yeah, a little more room. I have a 5' desk and a printer stand on the opposite wall to that of the current bench work. Both those things are going so I will gain about 45" of wall space, where the "extension will go". That will give me a further 5.5' in length and up to 40" of depth in that corner, although it won't be as wide as 40" I don't think.

    What did you have in mind for the "S" curve from the siding on the top to the yard? I don't know if you realize that it adds a reversing loop electrical issue to the layout. It also limits the use of that upper yard track, as that yard track must be kept clear to get to that "S".
    See my reply to Ian - I didn't think that was a reverse loop. Now you guys have pointed it out, that track from the siding/yard to the top of the layout is gone. I have enough problems with wiring without adding to the confusion for myself.

    Is there an alternative?

    If it were mine, I would use the natural curve of the track coming into the crossover area for the curved part of the turnout to eliminate the "S" curve(s) on the outer line (red), and maybe relocate the freight to passenger crossovers as well (pink). The latter of course (on one side or the other) would dictate a crossing over train have to make at least one loop on the median track before reaching the 3rd track over.
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    I like the idea of using curved turnouts to eliminate the "S" curve/s as well as using the "natural curve to get from the freight line to the passenger line as shown in "pink".

    I knew that a train would need to do an almost full loop of the layout to get to the next track over, that was something I can't seem to get around the way the plan sits. Mind you, I don't really mind if that ends up being the case though. It is either that or clutter that smallish straight section at the top with another 4 turnouts, and I really don't think that would work.

    I looked at the turnouts a fair bit and ended up wishing I didn't have as much Code 80- track and turnouts as I do or I would be building this with Code 55 and have the luxury of double cross overs. So far, I haven't found any Code 80 double cross overs other than Tomix, which doesn't come close to being compatible with Peco code 80.

    Anyway, thanks for the comments guy and ESPECIALLY for pointing out the darn reverse loop thing I inadvertently included - that, in itself, is a life saer for me.
    Cheers,

    Tony
    (aka wombat457)

    "...knowing what to do is one thing, being able to do it is another..."

    http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/f...Indoor-N-Scale

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    This looks like you have been tweaking the plan that you had before you took time off from the hobby. I don't see any problem not being interested in operations. It's your layout and your rules Tony.

    My home layout was built mainly for operations. I really enjoy switching a lot. Since you took time off, I found a model railroad club just over the pass from me in the old Northern Pacific Depot in Livingston, MT. It is quite a large layout that occupies three room in the basement. It's a 50 mile trip one way for me and I try to attend the Saturday operating sessions they have every week that is open to the public. They try to keep as many trains running as possible. This does allow me to just "Run Trains" long distances. It is a DCC layout and I did invest in a DCC locomotive to run on the layout although with Digitrax I cn also run some of mt DC equipment.

    The sessions can be a real hoot when you have six to eight trains all running at the same time without a good communication system. Someone will holler across the room to throw a switch to put a train on a passing siding to avoid a head on wreck or to send a train off to another part of the layout.

    This is something that I can't do at home and really enjoy it. It is a lot of fun to get some miles (scale) on the trains.

    Looking forward to your progress.
    ................................ Chet


    Video - Switching in Churchill - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR-tYl9fd9s
    VIDEO Tour of the layout - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiNqrkq9xYY
    New cab ride - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiL7SgH6Wbw

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    That diagonal track by itself at the left, the one that crosses between the two mains for several feet...that looks like a potential for electrical problems as it constitutes a reversal. If you start at its southernmost turnout, go east around the loop, and then take the divergent route through its other end's turnout and rejoin the main...that closes a turnback loop.
    Crandell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selector View Post
    That diagonal track by itself at the left, the one that crosses between the two mains for several feet...that looks like a potential for electrical problems as it constitutes a reversal. If you start at its southernmost turnout, go east around the loop, and then take the divergent route through its other end's turnout and rejoin the main...that closes a turnback loop.
    That's the loop I was referencing...
    Ian

    Modeling my own reality: Cole River...

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    Yes, I see that, but I was addressing his apparent inability to see it. IOW, it escapes him, and he's asking if he has one, and if so, it will have to go.

    "...Thanks Ian, but one question - I have a "reverse loop" in there some where? If I do...". We might, together, convince him that if it was important for some reason, even if just to turn trains so that flange wear evens out over time, it would be simple to manage. A PSX-AR from Digital Specialties is very simple to wire such that it powers that segment if he gaps it on both ends, just as an example, or if he has a DPDT lying about some place, he could very easily wire that to reverse that one gapped segment.
    Crandell

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    What Crandell said ... If I now understand what is being said, if I were to loose the "yard/siding" and simply ran a section of track from the main line at the bottom (where the siding/yard starts) to where the "offending track" rejoins the main at the top, that will remove the "reverse loop problem"? Is that right?

    Basically, all I am looking for is something to break the "space" in that area - if that makes sense.
    Cheers,

    Tony
    (aka wombat457)

    "...knowing what to do is one thing, being able to do it is another..."

    http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/f...Indoor-N-Scale

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    Chet,

    Sorry mate, missed your post. It is a little like what I was working on in some ways. I didn't go back to look at that so I didn't get back into a rut so to speak - I wanted a "fresh start" with a new outlook. As it turns out, I seem to keep going back to the fundamental design anyway.

    Even though I will be the only one running trains here, I like to get them going and leave them be to do their own thing. The fun part of this hobby is the "build" more so than sitting back and watching the trains for hours on end. I guess that is why I am constantly making changes in one way or another. This plan lets me run 4 trains at once, and let them go without supervision if I want, but also gives me the option to "play" as well if I want, albeit only changing a train from track to another. I have to admit though, it might be nice to have some one else running say the passenger train while I ran the freight then work out things as we went our own way on the layout. Might make for some interest, or a lot of damage

    Anyway, that is a far way down the track but does give me something to aim at.

    I guess my thought/planning process is a step by step thing. Make sure I get the bench work cut and properly in place (open grid/cookie cutter) focusing on the grades and transitions, get the road bed (cork) and track laid as perfectly as possible with minimal soldered joins other than turnouts and curves, ensure I get the wiring for the track connected and sufficient (+) for the entire layout for DCC, then look at the scenery. The longest part of this build will be on the "bench work" as that is the part that will determine the end result. Needless to say, minor changes will most likely happen during the build.

    Anyway, that's more or less an over view of what I am thinking at the moment, but you know me, that can change
    Cheers,

    Tony
    (aka wombat457)

    "...knowing what to do is one thing, being able to do it is another..."

    http://www.modelrailroadforums.com/f...Indoor-N-Scale

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