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    Default Access Ladder

    Interestingly I already had in my possession a special step ladder that will allow me to climb a couple of steps and reach over to the back sides of the upper deck tracks. Turns out it just does just fit under the bottom deck at 40 inches off the floor. And it has a built in 'handle' that can be used to grip or lean against when accessing that upper deck.
    I just have to make sure I build the lower deck shelf high enough to accept this ladder.
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    I'm currently evaluating whether to build the lower deck shelf of plywood, foam, or a sandwich structure of those 2 materials.

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    Default Turn Outs, Templates, Updated Layout Dwg

    It has been suggested that I utilize some full size paper templates of the track components (turnouts, etc) to help with my layout plan. I'm going to give that a try. So I went looking for some of my turnouts, etc.



    I found many of my turnouts from my stowage trailer,...all but my Peco ones. I also discovered some full scale templates for Peco turnouts. As you might see I have a large number of very nice Fleischmann Pro-Track ones.
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    Thought I would run a quick experiment to see if I could duplicated one portion of my layout design with actual turnouts I had in stock.
    Updated the layout dwg first , with some scaling lines(boxes),....each box represents 1 foot (12 inches) in full size.
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    And here are a couple of examples of the entrance tracks to the freight yard
    (BTW that piece of plywood they are laid out on is only about 36" wide, rather than the 53" I plan on using on the layout,...per the dwg).
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    Couple more photos of those
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    (BTW that piece of plywood they are laid out on is only about 3 feet wide, rather than the 53" I have on the layout dwg).

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    As a rough idea it looks OK, but you need the bigger width to be accurate. It's amazing how things can change shape once all joints are firmly pressed together and all tracks properly aligned. I can see that once that is done, the spacing between yard tracks is going to close up from what you have there.
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    Actually I'm not so sure the spacing will close up that much,...but even then it won't be too close.

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    I was wrong on one point, you do have enough width there to try it out accurately, because it will all narrow up once done. Better to be safe than sorry, especially when using fixed length track.
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    Default Updated Track Plan for loop and frieght yard entrance

    Quote Originally Posted by beiland View Post
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    And here are a couple of examples of the entrance tracks to the freight yard
    (BTW that piece of plywood they are laid out on is only about 36" wide, rather than the 53" I plan on using on the layout,...per the dwg).
    Before I take this cardboard mock-up down in order to install the 'masonite' wall coverings, I figured I would do an update on the double track loops I now want around the turntable area, and a little more accurate model of the turnouts leading into the freight yard.

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    (I eliminated the dbl 'Y' I had in the first edition, and included a second dbl-slip down at the end for that last combo turnout)
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    A few thoughts regarding the last month's worth of posts.
    Aisle width/center island - I thought that you resolved the aisle width with the full-sized mock-ups and determined that you would fit easily. I can't believe that you gave in to your detractors! That is unless you tried the mock up some more and that made you change your mind. The pictures in post #65 looked doable. Regardless, with narrow aisles and your height, even with the 20" deck spacing that I remember; you will need to be seated in order to view the lower deck, as you posted somewhere, so just be sure that your chair has enough clearance.
    Double track on RH peninsula - Do the math, double track, turntable and roundhouse will not fit. Your thoughts on using a shortened roundhouse is a reasonable solution given that you just want to display your engines. I doubt that it will all fit even with single track.
    Ten gallons RR in five gallon layout - You have posted hopes of including the turntable/roundhouse, yard, wharf, steel operations, coal, mountainous regions, bridges over rails and roads and maybe some things that I cannot remember. It is going to be a bit difficult to make it all fit. Difficult but not impossible.
    Time - Now, please don't take the following as negative because it isn't meant to be. Stop overthinking and get on with building at least the lower level. You have posted somewhere that you only spend part of the year in Florida and that you spend part in Thailand. Then you go and spend a few weeks in Nova Scotia (I am jealous); when will you have the time for this endeavor? Unless you have a very tolerant wife!!!
    I'll go away for a while.

    Willie

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    Quote Originally Posted by santafewillie View Post
    A few thoughts regarding the last month's worth of posts.
    Aisle width/center island - I thought that you resolved the aisle width with the full-sized mock-ups and determined that you would fit easily. I can't believe that you gave in to your detractors! That is unless you tried the mock up some more and that made you change your mind. The pictures in post #65 looked doable.
    Yes, the aisles would have accommodated my moving around, but I would be standing most of the time, or just setting at the very head of the peninsula. I would not have had even a small workbench inside the 'layout room'. These thoughts weighed on my mind while I was up in Canada.

    I decided to do a modification to the original plan where I reduced the size of that peninsula. In doing so I gained extra width on both of the side shelves. In one particular case on the right hand side, that allows me to get that turntable/freight yard scene all in (the one I just posted). I thought a lot about the extra room I was gaining for both myself, and a small workbench inside the perimeter of the decks around the wall. I came back from Canada and did the modification to my cardboard mock-up, and that convinced me I had made the right decision.



    Double track on RH peninsula - Do the math, double track, turntable and roundhouse will not fit. Your thoughts on using a shortened roundhouse is a reasonable solution given that you just want to display your engines. I doubt that it will all fit even with single track.
    I was having doubts myself, and that's part of the reason I did that latest mock-up I just posted. Do you see the 2 radius lines in this photo,..those denote the C/L of a 23" radius inner loop track, while the outer track is a 25.5" radius one......

    (articulated steam will be confined to the outer loop, while diesels can use both)


    The brown circle of cardboard in the photo represents the 18.5" turntable pit.

    The shaded area in the layout's corner behind the turntable and stretching half way down that side to the 'Mt Royal' train station is a removable 'city-scape structure' fashioned of artistic foam board that sits over the double tracks. The 'roundhouse' itself is only a front-faced structure probable 3-4 inches deep.




    Ten gallons RR in five gallon layout - You have posted hopes of including the turntable/roundhouse, yard, wharf, steel operations, coal, mountainous regions, bridges over rails and roads and maybe some things that I cannot remember. It is going to be a bit difficult to make it all fit. Difficult but not impossible.
    You are correct. I have so many structures I would like to include, but I will have to make some decisions as I go along as to what I might be able to include. I'm just trying out ideas on some major ones as they need space and feeder tracks.



    Time - Now, please don't take the following as negative because it isn't meant to be. Stop overthinking and get on with building at least the lower level.
    I know what you are saying, but time spent planning may well be time well spent. Its already caused me to alter my plan,...and I'm not sure I like the new track plan as much as the old one.

    Funny thing is I may have to do considerable work on the upper level deck before I install the lower level,...accessibility. (and I don't even have its track plan laid out yet)

    You have posted somewhere that you only spend part of the year in Florida and that you spend part in Thailand. Then you go and spend a few weeks in Nova Scotia (I am jealous); when will you have the time for this endeavor? Unless you have a very tolerant wife!!!
    I'll go away for a while.
    I have a tolerate wife as she is living in Thailand right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beiland View Post
    Interestingly I already had in my possession a special step ladder that will allow me to climb a couple of steps and reach over to the back sides of the upper deck tracks. Turns out it just does just fit under the bottom deck at 40 inches off the floor. And it has a built in 'handle' that can be used to grip or lean against when accessing that upper deck.
    I just have to make sure I build the lower deck shelf high enough to accept this ladder.
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    I'm currently evaluating whether to build the lower deck shelf of plywood, foam, or a sandwich structure of those 2 materials.
    There is a step ladder that you can lay on over a layout w/o having to put your hands down on it.
    Andy Jackson
    Santa Fe Springs CA
    ATSF/LAJ Fan & Modeler

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