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Thread: American Flyer Train Set? How much is it worth?

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    Default American Flyer Train Set? How much is it worth?

    Hi guys, my grandfather has a friend that has an old American Flyer Train Set that he got when he was a little kid and has held onto ever since. Its been safely stored away for years. I believe it is HO scale and he said it is in excellent condition. He said he only set it up and played with it a few times when he got it.

    What does a train set like this go for these days? I dont have any pictures of the set yet, but i just wanted to see if anyone here knew what it was worth?

    Thanks in advance,
    Josh Mader
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    Most likely S, not HO.
    http://www.americanflyertrains.com/
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    A.C Gilbert/American Flyer DID make several HO sets. I still have my Northern Pacific passenger set from the mid-1950s.
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    AC Gilbert did make HO trains and got into the business fairly early compared to Lionel. They made them from 1948, after ceasing O scale production, until 1963, when they stopped making HO and concentrated on the remaining demand for S scale and the new rage, road racing. The company really died in 1961, when A.C. Gilbert, the founder, passed away. The family sold out their interests to the Wrather Corporation in 1962 and American Flyer began a five year decline to bankruptcy, making poorly designed and manufactured toys of all description. The last train was made in 1966 and they struggled into 1967 selling everything from talking dolls to R/C cars. It is a classic business school study case of what happens to a company where one man is really the idea leader and he had no one with his imagination to succeed him. I chose A.C. Gilbert as my case study when I was taking classes for my MBA and it is really a sad story, with many parallels between the decline of A.C Gilbert and the general decline of American business.

    Now, after my executive summary of my MBA study , is it a complete set and still in the original boxes? Depending on the type of locomotive, number and type of cars, condition of the boxes, and if all the original paperwork, including the warranty car, is still there, you may have a real winner. AF made two levels of HO trains, one that was all made of plastic and poorly detailed and another with pretty well done diecast engines and well detailed plastic cars with metal trucks and wheels. The first was made for the department store trade at the Holidays and the second was meant to be sold in hobby shops to model railroaders. The department store sets are fairly common but can still bring a good price with everything intact and in good shape. The hobby shop sets, especially if it had the Pacific steam engine, can go for well over $1,000 in excellent condition. They made a set for a few years with a GP-7 and four freight cars and the Pacific with three real stainless steel Budd-type steamlined passenger cars. The set also included a bunch of scenery and operating accesories, like airport beacons and an operating coal hopper dump. I think these were only sold from 1956 to 1958, when the recession of that year killed the market for high end trains sets. I wish I still had all the paperwork from that MBA study (including most of the Gilbert catalogs from 1946 to 1967, dang it) but I think the double set sold for about $100, which was a staggering sum to pay for a trains set in those days. If you should be lucky enough to have one, it goes for $5,000 and up, or at least did, before our present crash. Check e-bay and see if anything you have has sold there for an idea of value. I don't think you will be able to retire on a train set but I suspect that, if you want to sell it, it's certainly good for at least a couple of really nice present day HO locomotives.
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    Need more info and pix

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    Wow, I learned something today!
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    Thanks for the replies guys

    i finally got a chance to take a look at the train set my grandfathers friend has. He dropped it off at their house and i was able to get some pics of it a few days ago. He had said it was in pretty good shape, but upon looking at it, it doesnt look like its in all that great of shape. I guess its alright for being from the mid 50's lol

    here are the pics

    The Steam Engine:










    The 3 Freight cars:


















    Some pics of the structures:








    Here is the Power Pack, looks to be in good condition:








    And here is the condition of the track:







    There are 54 Curves and 4 Straights, so im assuming this makes some kinda dogbone set-up. All the track appears to be in decent condition, would need some elbow grease to clean them up. There is also some paperwork that was in the box and the original manual for the train set. Most of the original vintage boxes that the stuff came in are there too, kinda falling apart, but there lol.

    Now seeing pics, what do you guys think this is worth?

    Thanks in advance
    Josh Mader
    Rancho Santa Margarita, Cali

    My latest build; Tire Plant Facility

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    Those are pretty common items.

    1. The 2 buildings are MARX, not Flyer. The other small Flyerone is missing (a pole??)
    2. Engine 300 - $25 - $30
    3. Caboose 630 - $10-15
    4. Box car 633 - $10 BUT less due to the roof problem.
    5. Track/ power pack - very little


    These are "guesstimates" based on several price guides. Price guides are just that - a ballpark figure.
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    Unfortunately, the condition of the models range from poor to fair with damage of some kind to almost all of them. This is also the department store version I mentioned earlier so the detail is poor and it has very little interest from S scale modelers. The fact that it's a complete set helps but the condition of the paperwork doesn't. I'd guess the whole set would go for $50-$70 but that's about it. Too bad it wasn't a better set and better taken care of. BTW, it's S scale, not HO. Gilbert HO track looked much like Tyco or AHM tack, with smaller rail heights and more ties per section. The large metal ties spaced further apart mark it an American Flyer S scale train.
    Last edited by UP2CSX; 09-14-2009 at 01:43 PM.
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