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modelbob
04-01-2005, 02:48 PM
MRIA Press Release

EC critical of popular hobby
By Avril Poisson
European affairs reporter

A new report by the European Commission could affect one of the
Britain's more quirky hobbies, model trains.

The EC Enterprise Directorate-General report entitled "Efficiency and
Accountability of European Standardisation under the New Approach"
criticises the UK's use of model train scales which are different to
the rest of Europe.

The EU report accuses UK model train manufacturers of violating
Technical Harmonisation Directives and not conforming to standard
trade descriptions. In one example, the report describes some types of
model train track being marketed as both 'HO' and 'OO' scales
which it says are different sizes.

The report offers a list of 90 recommendations, including passing
legislation if required to bring UK model train manufacturers into
line with Europe.

Another criticism was of small model trains built to 'N' scale.

John Emerson, editor of British Railway Modelling magazine, said
"British 'N' scale is standardised to a scale of 1:148, unlike the
rest of the world which uses a ratio of 1:160, while preserving the
track gauge of 9 mm. The inaccuracy of British 'N' offends some
purists, but that's how it is."

Emerson also said this is why American and European 'HO' scale trains
use a ratio of 1:87 whereas British 'OO' scale trains use a ratio of
1:76, on the same 16.5 mm track gauge.

EC Standardisation Unit spokesman Aout Premier said the situation was
confusing and the UK should meet European standards.

He said that technical harmonisation standards were approved by the
"New Approach" Council Resolution in 1985 and enacted by the European
Commission after consultation with member states.

In Britain, the prominent anti-Europe MP Sir Peter Tapsell called on
the Department of Trade and Industry to reject the European
directives. He said "The nation that invented railways should not
change its unique identity and bow to petty directives which the EU
did not have the power to enforce."

But Premier said the EU can enforce common standards through several
Directives concerning the design, manufacture and marketing of
consumer products.

Premier said that Directive 378/1988 on toy safety and Directive
68/1993 on low-voltage electrical equipment could be applied to model
trains.

If the UK failed to meet standards, Premier said that EU could revoke
the right of UK model manufacturers to display the 'CE' conformity
mark.

The models could then be deemed non-conforming and measures could be
taken to stop their manufacture and make their sale illegal.

Emerson rejected the claims saying "We are not talking about toys. We
are talking about very high quality detailed models."

A spokesman for the Union Européenne des Modélistes Ferroviaires des
Chemins de Fer, a Swiss-based group that represents national
federations of railroad modellers in 18 European countries, said he
hoped the UK would accept the EC standards and adopt European scales.

Model Railroad Industry Association

CBCNSfan
04-01-2005, 03:17 PM
And in the meantime Bonnie Prince Charley is miffed because the his subjects don't like him (Halifax Herald News This morning) and in the meantime the world is going to Hades in a handbasket, and all these morons have to complain about is the size of a model train. Good lord "OO" has been around long before most of them were born. Seems to me they would do well to pay attention to the old addage of " If It Isn't Broke! DONT FIX IT! " and if you don't like it don't buy it http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/RANT.GIF
Cheers Willis

modelbob
04-01-2005, 03:25 PM
Didn't Prince Charles' recent ride on a steam train increase his popularity? I certainly think it would...

papio
04-01-2005, 10:04 PM
And a Happy April 1 to you all!!

CBCNSfan
04-01-2005, 10:20 PM
Didn't Prince Charles' recent ride on a steam train increase his popularity? I certainly think it would... Naw! he switched to a horse and his popularity if any went South from then on. :D

Cheers Willis

Hmmm! guess I'm the only one who was had, some mornings it just doesn't pay to get up :eek:

modelbob
04-02-2005, 05:57 AM
While this one was indeed a joke, the sad thing is that one area of model railroading did suffer some serious problems due to a lack of standards.

Large scale ride on live steam uses the scale of 1-1/2 inches to the foot. That's a nice handy ratio of 1/8 full size. Large enough to easily work on, small enough to be transportable.

When the hobby was new, the machines were pretty rare and generally "one off" so not much consideration was given to interchangability.

Two different gauges developed. On the west coast they used 7-1/2 inches, a nice round number that's easy to remember. That scales out to 5 foot gauge, which is close, but not exact. (O gauge also scales out to 5 foot gauge)

On parts the east coast and especially in the Northeast they went with 7-1/4 inches, which is closer to the scale dimension of 4' 8-1/2".

For a while this wasn't much concern. Then as more live steam got built and folks started selling, buying, swapping, trading, moving to new locations etc, it became an issue. 1/4" doesn't seem like much, but at that scale it's quite significant, especially at switches. You can't simply run either one on either track. Changing guage can be difficult or impossible.

Had they come up with a standard early, this wouldn't be an issue. As it stands, 7-1/2 inch gauge is starting to dominate, but the transition will take many years.

Some modelers are now using 1.6 inches to the foot and 7-1/2 gauge for more accuracy. However the scale of the locomotive doesn't matter as long as the gauge is correct.

modelbob
04-02-2005, 06:00 AM
A bit more history/info http://calslivesteam.org/question.htm